Sunday, October 5, 2008

Quote of the Week

The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church.
Ferdinand Magellan


Anonymous said...

I have seen this quote before and I love it! SO eloquent and expressive, and exactly how I feel.
I trust myself and the evidence more than the Rabbis or Priests.

RHJ said...

Eh? Hvilken kirke har noensinne påstått at jorden var flat?

Vic de Jesus said...

Magellan quote is a fabrication

“The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church.” Ferdinand Magellan

The quote is a fabrication of Robert Green Ingersoll. It is found in his essay “Individuality.” This may be accessed at
It’s in the fourth paragraph of his essay:

“It is a blessed thing that in every age some one has had individuality enough and courage enough to stand by his own convictions, -- some one who had the grandeur to say his say. I believe it was Magellan who said, "The church says the earth is flat; but I have seen its shadow on the moon, and I have more confidence even in a shadow than in the church." On the prow of his ship were disobedience, defiance, scorn, and success.”

This fact—that it is not an authentic Magellan quote but is Ingersoll’s--was first pointed out, as far as I know, by Dr. Tom Gorski in his website “Knowing What Ain’t So” at Dr. Gorski is one of four founders of the The North Texas Church of Freethought.

To the credit of Wikiquote it clearly points out the quote is disputed and attributes it to Ingersoll
At it immediately corrected the attribution: "The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church."
..........Robert Green Ingersoll (not Ferdinand Magellan)
At they already were able to determine that it was Ingersoll who in fact said the words he attributes to Magellan. “Regarding a flat earth, please note that Ingersoll used a quote attributed to Ferdinand Magellan (1480-1521), the Portuguese and Spanish explorer: ‘The Church says that the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the Church.’ Ingersoll uses this quote to make a point: ‘The trouble with most people is, they bow to what is called authority.’ Ingersoll's thrust in this article is that ‘It is the duty of each and every one to maintain his individuality’ and ‘There can be nothing more utterly subversive of all that is really valuable than the suppression of honest thought--No man, worthy of the form he bears, will at the command of church or state solemnly repeat a creed his reason scorns.’ I agree with Ingersoll. If you do not, that is certainly your privilege.” The author assumes Ingersoll got it from an authentic source. But I have read the primary sources on Magellan—eyewitness accounts by Antonio Pigafetta, Gines de Mafra, Francisco Albo, The Genoese Pilot, Martinho de Aiamonte, Sebastian Elcano—nowhere is there such a statement from Magellan. Ingersoll most definitely cites no authority.
Vicente Calibo de Jesus

List of URLs w/ Magellan quote:
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2. alternet
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199. worldofquotes
200. wowmb
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202. zamanku
203. zackinaapron

Vicente Calibo de Jesus

Leisha Camden said...

Someone around here has too much free time, and for once I actually don't think it's me ...

Vic, thanks for commenting so ... extensively. It was interesting (although I have to confess I didn't read the footnotes ;-). But in all honesty, whether or not the quote is genuine, I don't really care. Whoever said it, it's true. But thanks.